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and that's um I can't get my
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camera to to come on okay my brother-in-law had that happen on our
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family Zoom call the other day all of a sudden he just couldn't get his camera to come on so we we know we know you're
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there so any idea why I don't he couldn't figure it out I've I've
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gone shows them there um have you have you tried clicking the
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little carrot next to your video button
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then you should be able to select a camera hang on let me try oh I didn't even know that was there
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Ariana um for me it's my video and if you click the little
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upwards carrot arrow button you C that um for me I have an integrated webcam so
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that's what's selected for me right now but I'm not sure what your options would be
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buto okay so so it doesn't give you an option to select a different camera
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no is your your camera isn't covered is it no okay sometimes that happens to me
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I understand yeah strange and I don't have it's the camera is off of my
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computer I guess we won't get to see you tonight then bill but we'll just hear you how's
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that it looks are at o' and one two three four five six
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seven we have a quorum so I will call the February 5th 2025 meeting of the
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Transportation Commission to order um Ariana if you'd like to read the instructions sure Welcome to our virtual
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documentation with with the commission please send it to the email listed on today's agenda chair the floor is yours
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thanks Ariana Aiden if you could call a roll please sure
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um Juliana Bennett might be excused for tonight due to the other meeting um MGR
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go vinder Rajan Dina Nina Martinez Rutherford
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present Barbara Harrington mckenny I don't see uh an kovic here
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Robbie Weber here Denise
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jff I don't see yeah it's un it's unusual that we haven't heard from
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Denise maybe she's having technical issues or something Pepe baros is excused for
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tonight Chris mccahill here bill brummer here Harold cams
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here Kaylee Jameson here and Lynn
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Olen
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here okay everybody let's see since we're missing three people both Kaylee and Lyn
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would be able to make motions and vote Alder Martinez R thank you I was going to ask H how
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good we are on Quorum in case I need to pop off around um a little bit later in the meeting just
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so at this point we have eight and we need six for Quorum okay so if you could
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just check in before you you leave because sometimes we do have other
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people coming and going so thank you no thank you for checking appreciate
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it okay uh um everybody have a chance to look at the minutes from the last
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meeting Harold move approval of the
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minute Bill a second okay there's a motion in a
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second is there any discussion okay I'm going to assume a
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unanimous consent vote unless anybody wishes to vote no or obain
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I don't see any hands so the motion is carried
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unanimously hey we had a number of emails that were saved under item one
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and I understand we do have somebody registered to speak under item number one which is um public comment for items
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not on tonight's agenda is that correct Aiden that is correct yep um okay we
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have Sarah of South Midvale Boulevard opposes and wishes to
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speak okay go ahead Sarah it's just so you know Midvale Boulevard was pulled
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from the agenda tonight so it will uh likely be on a future agenda but it is
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not on the agenda tonight but we're we're certainly you're certainly welcome to let us know your thoughts under this
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item number one well would the commission like to hear my comment or
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should I say it for the week when it is on the agenda absolutely you're W you're welcome to tell us this evening and
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you're welcome to come back and tell us again when it is on the agenda okay well thank you very much I
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very much appreciate that I just wanted to raise my concern that the plan for Midville Boulevard seems to be creating
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a conflict between bikers and the residents and drivers on that road that doesn't actually exist um at the city's
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informational meeting last week or the week before um you know the city wasn't able to fortunately there hadn't been
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any recorded bike accidents at Midvale and the city hadn't you know didn't have
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any counts for how many bikers are currently using Midvale so they didn't really have any evidence that there's
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demand for bike facilities on Midvale um residents who called into the meeting
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also weren't reporting that they were seeing very many bikers and the city said their philosophy was you know if
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you build it they will come and I'm concerned that that would attract bikers into a dangerous situation when there
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are safer Alternatives available um the city said that they didn't think that the Midvale project would lower speeds
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of traffic um and of course Midvale has a lot of ambulance traffic that you know
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wouldn't be lowering its speeds and shouldn't be lowering its speeds at any rate um and so it just doesn't seem like
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there's the need to have additional bike facilities on Midvale especially because
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there's already bike Lanes on seag a couple blocks to the west and then a couple blocks to the east bikers could
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use Owen and Blackhawk or one of the other through side streets that are much more low traffic um and both of those
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alternatives are very close to Midvale and wouldn't be encouraging bikers to be
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on a high traffic and highspeed road um so it just seems like the plan is
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creating a conflict between bikers and the residents that you know wouldn't need to exist
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the residents would be burdened by the loss of parking but there wouldn't be a concrete benefit to bikers that they
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don't already have now and then the final point I wanted to make was the city had mentioned that they might be
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doing an assessment on the residents for the project and I think that you know
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everyone on the street would be very much opposed to that and it really wouldn't be fair because the city said
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that there's over 23,000 vehicles per day using Midvale obviously that's not
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all the residents the residents weren't the ones that caused wear on wear and tear on the road and you know they're
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not the one the reason why the city is doing the project the city is obviously doing the project just to create a
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general benefit for commuters using the road so it wouldn't be Equitable or lawful to make the owners contribute to
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the cost of the project when it's just a general project that benefits the public so thank you for hearing my
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comments yeah no problem we're we're always interested in hearing from the public I just wanted to make sure
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everybody realized that it was going to be on the agenda and then at the very last minute staff decided that it would
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be better to wait uh to hear um to absorb and um be able to respond to all
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the um feedback that they got at the public information meeting on January 30th so does anybody have a comment or a
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question for um oh Denise is in the attendees could you please move her over
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Ariana to the panelist yep can do that thank you um and we're
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still good for um we still have two people missing I believe so we're still
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good for Kaylee and Lyn to vote um so in any event um it's it's great to get this
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feedback and and we're we're always interested and we'll certainly look to hear more once um the plans are further
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developed with regard to midw so does anybody have any any comments for um or
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questions for the registrant I'd like to say thank you for
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your comments okay thanks Lynn um we always appreciate hearing from the
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public and it doesn't hurt to remember to say that thank you um anybody else
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have any comments or questions for the registrant okay thanks very much uh for
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coming and um you're welcome to come back again certainly when the item is on
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the agenda are there any disclosures or recusals this
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evening okay seeing none we have two items proposed for the consent agenda
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Aiden I I don't think we do but do we have anybody who's registered to speak on either item two or three
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we do not no okay um does anyone wish to
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have item two or three separated from the consent
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agenda okay seeing No Hands we have item two legistar 86835226
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School planning project and item 3 8 6814 uh related to vacating and
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discontinuing portions of Braxton plac public Street RightWay within the triangle plan
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um there a motion to approve the consent agenda Phil make a motion to accept uh
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the consent agenda for it three okay so there's a motion to approve items two
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and three on the consent agenda Alder Martinez truford I will second that okay there's a motion in a
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second okay I'm going to assume a unanimous consent vote unless anybody
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wishes to vote no or
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abstain okay I'm seeing no hands so the consent agenda is passed with unanimous
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vote all right uh item number four we had to defer the
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third quarter uh Traffic Safety report because we just had so much going on and um so
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Lieutenant Hannah was gracious enough to do both quarter three and quarter four this evening um so um I look forward to
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hearing about them um and thanks so much for all the work Lieutenant Hannah that
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you put into it and uh um we'll look forward to hearing your
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report thanks can you hear me okay we can yes
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excellent I just want to thank all of you for accommodating my schedule um I was in Australia and that uh led to some
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timing issues so thank you so much I'm sorry that third quarter is delayed but I appreciate that immensely um I'm not
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going to go too deeply into the third quarter report other than to talk about the fatalities that happened in the third quarter um that doesn't mean that
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you can't ask me questions but I'll start there the rest of the stuff is pretty straightforward um as you've seen
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from other um quarterly reports so I will try to share
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this can everyone see that uh
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yes all right let me
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well you'll have to see the side too I guess um so in the third quarter uh there were three traffic
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related fatalities um when I say traffic related it doesn't mean that uh the
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incident itself was the um the fault of the driver it just means it happened on
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a road and it evolved a vehicle and you'll see why that's important in one of the uh the incidents um maybe in this
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quarter or the next quarter uh so the first third quarter
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fatality occurred on July 1st that's a Monday happened at 910 9:10 a.m. on the
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Belt Line uh it was westbound Belt Line traffic was uh
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stopped and backed up because people were exiting onto Midville Boulevard um
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the suspect unit number one was traveling westbound as with the other drivers that driver admitted that she um
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briefly looked down at her phone and while she was distracted her vehicle collided with number two unit number two
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which in turn collided with number three uh the driver of unit 2 was
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initially conscious and alert at the scene and then suddenly went uh pulseless pulseless non-breathing um she
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was transported to the hospital where she was pronounced deceased unfortunately um the tox
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reports uh no alcohol but I think we're still pending on the drug reports so I
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don't have anything to report that uh in that right now but as far as the conditions of the road
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and the uh environment it was dry it was Daylight um they were all going straight
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on the Belt Line the weather conditions were clear um I won't go into all of the details here each car had a had one
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occupant um you can see the cars that they were all in um the suspect was 16 years old
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unfortunately she sustained a minor injury and uh her airbag deployed but again no e ethanol or drugs detected at
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the time I think we're still waiting on tox screen um but her actions obviously were inattentive driving and she was
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traveling at a high rate of speed the victim the female who was um
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deceased was a 77-year-old white female um obviously she was just stopped in
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traffic uh when she was struck from behind and finally the Third vehicle
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involved in the incident uh belonged to a 23-year-old white male um he also was
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stopped in traffic and again he was struck from behind uh from unit two after unit 2 got struck by unit
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one the second third quarter fatal crash occurred at Packers Avenue in Tennison
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Lane on July 4th at 4:30 a.m. um the vehicle that was involved
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was traveling Northbound on Packers Avenue between bunting Lane and in Tennyson Lane uh that vehicle was stolen
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and being operated at a high rate of speed um the driver lost control struck a No Parking sign and then struck a tree
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um it was the backseat passenger that was actually uh pronounced deceased at the scene the driver in the front
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passenger ran from the vehicle uh they were later located and
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arrested um that night it was uh it was dry obviously dark dark in the morning
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of uh it was 4:30 a.m. so it was pretty dark but there were some lights over there roadway was straight weather
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conditions clear and the suspect was the driver
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obviously the 20-year-old black female she sustained a minor injury um there
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were tests given and THC was uh detected but no
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alcohol and again uh she was traveling too fast when she lost control of that
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vehicle and for passenger or front passenger was a 23-year old black male
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he suffered a minor injury um again uh he was
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also uh also had THC on board but again no alcohol and finally the um victim of
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this crash was an 18-year-old black male um he was in the back seat so obviously
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um no air bag we don't believe he had his uh seat Bel on or anything and we
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suspected drugs and I believe that his test came back with THC present as
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well and finally the third fatal crash in this in the third quarter occurred on Saturday September 21st 3:41 p.m. uh
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stoton Road and Rita Road motorcycle he went into the ditch uh he was traveling
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Southbound on North stoton Road at approximately 50 to 60 m per hour he failed to navigate the slight turn in
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the road and went into the ditch after losing control he was pronounced deceased at the
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scene uh it was a dry day daylight uh he was on a curve the WEA weather conditions were cloudy but certainly um
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were not a factor in this in this incident he was a 64y old white male um
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the tests were given there was no alcohol um I do have an update on this drug test THC was present um and
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obviously his speeding and failure to be in control LED to this this
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incident and at that point that brought the fatal crashes um in
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2024 in the third quarter up to
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7 anyone have any questions about any of
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that I know you've had a while to see these um uh bill go ahead
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uh Lieutenant when you I I think we've talked about this before but the question is because I work at the tops
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lab and and and one of the things we do using the crash data
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is when you get a a return uh from the from the crime lab on on drug and
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alcohol uh in fatals do you go back and insert that into the crash report that
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that it was uh those drugs and alcohol were involved in
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those fatal crashes yes we do our traffic investigators who um are in charge of
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investigating all fatal crashes go back and they update the MV 4000 to indicate
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what really happened right you know at when we for those that you don't that don't know the mb4000 at the time is the
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information that we have at the I think that's good to get that you
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know because those those records do is it just the fatals or do you also go
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and look at if there's severe injury crashes um you know we don't is it just
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the fatals that you really yeah I'm I'm in charge of the traffic investigators that really if it's great bodily harm or
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a fatal accident uh they investigate those otherwise um the other crashes I
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really don't know about assuming that they are asked by court services to update um their MV 4000 should some
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something happened but for the most part it's uh you know it's Rick and and Brandon of uh doing those reports and
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and making them correct okay thank you of course thanks Bill um Alder Martinez
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reord go ahead thank you lieutenant Hannah I'm
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curious about the THC that's present in these
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individuals when that's accounted for is that um impairment due to THC or is that
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just that it's present in the blood system it's just that it's present we use that as a factor that might be a
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reason for the cause of the crash um it's pretty typical that they will do a a blood test um
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on at least the suspect and sometimes the victim um in this case again I I
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can't uh say that it was the cause um but it may have been a
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factor I'm just curious just because I know it stays in the blood for a while
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and the thing I'm really curious about is how we're substantiating the
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impairment factor with it and not just oh it was there in the system does that
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make sense yeah absolutely I mean for this one you know obviously it's not a criminal investigation because it was
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just the U motorcycle driver involved um if it was somebody else obviously the
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investigators would look a little bit closer as to when that person may have consumed or smoked or whatever it is um
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the illegal substance so we we try to figure that out based on the um
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information given by the suspect if they give that information and then information from uh medical
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professionals who can tell us you know if if it was a substantial amount or
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maybe when it was ingested um you know that stuff gets a little bit a little bit hard to determine with
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some of those drugs quite frankly so it's that's why we list it as just a factor um to consider certainly not
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blaming it on the THC um but it's it was present and uh that's that's what we
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have to acknowledge thank you very much that clarification of
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course okay anybody else have any comments or questions at this
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point okay goodness you're all taking it on me tonight I appreciate that uh let
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me pull up the fourth quarter here can youall see that uh yes okay
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excellent um let me just get to the important part again um I'll let
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you look at the other stuff um and you can tell me you've had it for a while so I hope if you have any questions please
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bring them up to me but again we'll just talk about the fatal crashes uh for the fourth quarter and again important to
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remember remember it's it's traffic related Road related vehicle related but it doesn't necessarily mean that it was
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the fault of the driver um it's just the circumstance that that occurred so there
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were two traffic related fatalities in the fourth quarter the first one occurred at stoton
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Road at Highway 30 this was a motor vehicle versus a motor vehicle versus a motor vehicle um the two victim Vehicles
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were on the highway 30 exit ramp to stoton Road they had a green and we're
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proceeding through that light uh to take a left turn on the southbound stoton
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road so hopefully you can all picture that uh the suspect vehicle was traveling Northbound on stoton road uh
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he drove through the red light struck both vehicles um one vehicle or one victim was pronounced deceased at the
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scene and the other victim was treated and released uh the suspect was uh taken
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to the hospital with minor injuries uh which were not life-threatening
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so again the conditions uh revolving around that crash it was dry it was dark
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at that time of the morning I I believe the two victims were heading to work um
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obviously the environment played no uh was no factor in this roadway did not
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play a factor the weather was clear um each of the vehicles had just one
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occupant the suspect was a 35-year-old white male again he had minor injuries but he was held at the hospital for 2
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days for observation um we suspected drugs tests
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were given um I do not have the update on that yet actually I'll take that back
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the I believe the alcohol test came back at a 228 if I'm remembering correctly
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and yes that's it um so he was heavily intoxicated he had been working at a bar
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he's a bartender um at a bar that I don't know the name of so that can't answer that question if you have that um
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and was coming home or driving home clearly quite intoxicated from from his
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job uh the victim that was deceased at at the scene was a 37y old white male um
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he again was just going to work and was taking a left turn from Highway 30 onto southbound ston
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Road and the third victim was the 48-year-old Hispanic male with minor injuries treated at the scene
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and released and
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the final fatal crash of the Year occurred on Monday the 9th of December
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at 6:58 p.m. uh this was a motor vehicle versus a pedestrian and it occurred on
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the Belt Line and this is the incident that I'm referring to when I say that it's traffic related but um this
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certainly was not the fault of the um of any driver on the Belt Line um I want
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want to make that clear uh this individual The Pedestrian jumped from the concrete divider uh that was next to
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the fle uh Flex Lane he jumped was standing in the flex lane and then he
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jumped over the barrier um he was reported to be bundled up in a bunch of blankets he was facing towards the other
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side of the bout line looking like he had the intent to cross the bout line and he actually was struck by a vehicle
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as he ran across the roadway and that vehicle was traveling at speed um which was at least 55 mil per hour
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hour so a a tragic incident that unfortunately the the driver will have
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to think about forever um it's just one of those things I guess
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uh it was dry it was dark um but the weather conditions were clear um there were two occupants in vehicle number two
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which was the vehicle that um struck him uh struck the individual the P
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pedestrian unit number three was um damaged because it actually crashed into unit number two um after that that
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incident and there were four people in that car the deceased individual was a
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23-year-old American Indian or Alaskan native um again test given pending
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results I don't know the results of this one um but the action his sudden movement into traffic was what caused
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this crash um the driver that unfortunately struck
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the The Pedestrian was a 45-year-old Hispanic male he did not have injuries um airbags seat belt all deployed and
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used not suspected that he was using drugs or alcohol um that's all we know about him that's
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all I know about him and the other car again it was just damaged because of the the final crash I
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don't have the information on that individual like bill has a question for you Jen go ahead uh thanks uh these
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these kind of crashes this last one it always brings up the the possibility of
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what is the mental state of the individual on these kind of cases do you
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try or do any any background at all to see if it's a potential
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suicide yeah absolutely I mean I believe that there was um he was with somebody that night who was near the Beltline as
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well um without going into too much detail they did get a statement from that individual and there were some not
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only possible drug um factors involved in this incident but also some mental
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health issues but yeah we we do a full report or an investigation to figure out
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you know what exactly happened here what was the State of Mind of the individual and all of that just yeah it's very very
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unfortunate and that the driver that struck the individual is the one that's going to you know live with the rest of
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their lives but absolutely I know in our records sometimes I and I don't know
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if if suicide is determined by the I think the medical examiner has to make
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that call if they make the call that it was do then does the does the uh does
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the the crash get removed as a it does it does it does get removed as
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a traffic fatality yeah that's yeah if that is determined and again I know it's
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tough I know it's tough and medical examiner has to be involved yes Corner yes I mean all the all the factors here
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seem to point in that direction and obviously Brandon and Rick would would do an amendment to that that mb4000 and
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indicate what the yeah what the factors were that caused this y okay thank you
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of course anyone
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else any other comments on the uh fatal crashes that Jen described or any other
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comments or questions about the rest of the reports bill yeah I have a on the rest of the
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reports and it isn't just uh one particular quarter or not um Lieutenant
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do we you think it would be worthwhile I I'm I don't want to say curious but I'm interested in that we we look at our
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test off officers and we're getting and I suspect we're getting a lot of of U uh
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citations from those from that work K you had any have you looked at any I
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don't necessarily want to see it every time or anything like that but just a sample of a quarter or something how
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many of the the uh citations let's say speed uh citations were for the quarter
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were issued by the test officers versus other officers that are on
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patrol yeah I actually have that information and that would not be a problem for me to include that in the report if you're interested yeah I think
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it's it's good because I I'm kind of interested as to what the officers um
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you know their their their schedules and their you know they all a lot of them are on call or there's their call after
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call call yes but when it is available and can they do enforcement
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and I think that's what the commission is looked interested in is you know how much uh work can they devote to uh speed
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let's say or or traffic enforcement on their not as not part of a test unit
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correct I I wish that they could dedicate a little more time obviously traffic complaints are probably the number one complaint that we get at the
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Madison police department um unfortunately because our Patrol officers like you said are call to call
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to call so call driven they don't have a lot of discretionary time to do traffic enforcement though when they do uh there
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are several that um that really enjoy it and and and do Focus their time on that
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um the bulk of the of the citations are obviously coming from our test team um
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just because that's that's their job and then all of them are running um the grants that we run the the grants
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consist of four to five people and a lead officer which is normally a test
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officer who's running the laser I yeah I guess I would be interested in knowing whether it's uh 50% or 75% or whatever
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you know where the citation coming from yeah absolutely I I can add that in the next report for you okay thank you of
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course thanks Bill harl go ahead yes thank you um I also have a question
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about the Hazardous violations data so I noticed that in
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2024 after numbers have been pretty flat they're really up this year so I see
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like total hazardous are like 9,200 compared to 7,400 and most of that seems to be
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driven by the increase in speeding tickets like going up from three and a half thousand to like 5100 can you say a
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little bit about what's driving that increase do you have more capacity to do enforcement or is it Behavior change or
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little both um it really depends on you look how it it kind of fluctuates a
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little bit on each quarter um just because the amount of grants that we are able to run um the grants
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have been very productive lately and the officers I'm going to tell you right now Madison has a speed problem I know
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that's nothing new to all of you um but we've got people flying in this town in fact the other night there was an OWI
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Grant and they clocked a 16-year-old who was late for curfew at 107 oh
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107 um and I wish I wish that that was more shocking to me but we see such high
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speeds in the city that it's I I don't know what else to do I know we're we're working on the 20 is plenty um I I don't
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know how much of a factor that will be in in some people's driving behaviors for whatever reason everybody seems like
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they're in a really big hurry um all of our speed all of our grants are run as speed grants um and so that's usually
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the driving behavior of the speed um is the reason for the Stop and then it leads to other things maybe they didn't
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their seat Bel on or maybe they were intoxicated or maybe they had a you know a passenger who was not uh
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wearing their seat belt because the driver is responsible for that or an unrestrained child like it just leads to
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other things um but we have I wish I could figure out how to slow people down
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it's just something we're seeing more and more um I wish I had the answer I
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just don't the the the grant information that you can probably see you know our
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officers are pulling people over and I've mentioned this before at speeds that are around 15 miles an hour over
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the speed limit so we're not it's not Cheap Tickets this is egregious driving
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behavior in areas where there are bikers there are pedestrians other vehicles you
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know this kind of behavior is is putting everyone at risk so um we we are aware
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of it we're doing the best we can um I wish I had more test officers but that's a topic for another day um but we're
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aware and we're trying to do the best we can with it does that answer your question I know it's kind of a roundabout no I mean I think it answers
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my question like yeah I was really curious in the year-over-year change because I know that yeah you can only do
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so much enforcement and so part of what's reflective in the number is how much enforcement you can do versus part
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of it is reflected in people's behavior if nobody would speed your numbers would go to zero if you zero enforcement your
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numbers would go to zero and obviously neither of those are the case and so I just I just noticed the numbers for 2024
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were quite a bit higher than for 2022 and 2023 for the whole year yeah I think
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we're we're we're just putting more attention to it obviously after covid
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you know we've been ramping up ever since then um so you see the increase in numbers probably from 2020 where we we
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didn't do very many if any traffic stops because of what was going on but you know certainly it is something we are
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paying attention to um speeding obviously is you know one of the highest factors in fatality crashes um so
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there's a lot of things going on here that we wish we could put a stop to but we'll do the best we can with with the
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resources we have thank you very much of course thanks Harold Alder Herington
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McKinny go ahead uh thank you madam chair um thank you very much for the report and um the speeding across the
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city you absolutely correct it is a problem I think that that is the not think that
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happens to be the major complaint that um residents in my district have and um
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the 20 is is plenty um but I find myself on the Belt Line after 10:00 and
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literally it's a speed way I mean sometimes I have to pull over because
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people are just going so fast P yeah and um I know this is just a comment because
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it's related to you know resources and how many you know officers that you can
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have but um because even when there are officers out there with the radar gun I
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mean they're still speeding uh because they can't be out there all the time
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right and um I don't I'm just um um um acknowledging the fact that
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speeding is a major problem and if they're speeding that way on the Belt
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Line they're speeding through our communities as well and our residents
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are really getting very very upset about that um I would like to compare the um
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the figures with last year and this year am I able to find that in the document
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or if you can direct me to get that cuz I that was a great question I'd like to look at comparison from year to year to
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see where those increases are um that's the end of my comments thank you madam chair yeah um you should be able to take
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a look at years previous to look at the Hazardous um tickets that we write there's they're all broken down as to
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what they were written for whether it was speed or red light violation or failure to yield all of that will
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probably give you a pretty good idea of of what we're looking at um and also did you get my email today regarding McKenna
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muted Alder Alder you're muted okay thank you madam chair no I did not I've been uh
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committed all day but I will look for that because that is in the center of where our our concerns are so I
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definitely will look at that perfect and I want to use that as an example sometimes um roadways in the city don't
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lend themselves to doing um enforcement just because of the way they are curved
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maybe and I know what you're talking about by El there um and so Josh went out there um but again it's hard to set
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up and get an actual speed and write that ticket that it that
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will stand up in court um if that makes sense so some of these roadways like the
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Belt Line too I mean it is very very hard with how much traffic is on the Belt Line to adequately clock um these
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folks who are speeding first of all and then second of all trying to up to them with the speeds
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they're going at and the amount of vehicles that are on the Belt Line so um some of these roads we'd like to we wish
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that we could do a little bit more but please understand that the way some of these roads are um laid out doesn't
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necessarily Me Lend to some enforcement some good
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enforcement is that all you had then Alder her and Tim McKinny okay Alder Martina rer go ahead
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yes thank you again T um Lieutenant Hannah one more question um I'm curious
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about I'm curious if you have heard from other municipalities either within the state
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or nationally that have seen the same increases in speed I'm just curious if
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it's like just Madison or if it is something that's really happening and I
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know that since the pandemic I've noticed that and red light running a lot
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more so yes I haven't talked anybody recently but if you look at um numbers
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when everyone was dealing with with covid um to now and how much it's
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increased since it was before people just got into this habit of driving so fast because nobody was out there
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stopping them right um and and it was just kind of the Wild West unfortunately and and people got into some bad habits
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that are unfortunately still continuing to this day so I know that it it is not
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um just a phenomenon in Madison it is there is research to back that up but as far as what's happened since then I mean
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I haven't talked to any other agencies about what they're seeing but I suspect that they're probably seeing stuff
45:47
that's pretty similar to what we're experiencing okay thank you yeah people are in a hurry I don't know what the
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rush is yeah it's sadly if sad sad but true
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yeah um Lynn go ahead uh thank you officer for your
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thorough report um this might be a question for the Alders on the committee
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but uh i' would appreciate hearing anybody else's opinion have there been any ideas
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around passive measures like speed Gates
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everybody's going through it whoever is speeding gets a ticket sent to their
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home I mean Illinois does it with the tools maybe we need to find coverage
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maybe it's a federal program I don't know but can't stop being a
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Visionary is that I'll just I'll just say that it's interesting that you bring that up I know a lot of people wish that
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we had speed cameras or red light cameras uh that is not something that we have in Madison that is not a tool
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that's available to us so um we have to just use the oldfashioned way of using a a laser and some cops uh
47:02
to try to cut down on some stuff so um that's way above my pay grade and and my position here at the department whether
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uh speed cameras or red light signal signals and uh Tom Lynch could probably speak more to this than I
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can we don't have that available yeah if you want to maybe comment on that Tom and if you also have any comments about
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speeding in other um areas of the country because it seems like it's a problem nationally
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um yeah I um I'll give a very brief answer it's uh
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Redlight automated enforcement is illegal illegal yep in the state of
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Wisconsin uh I think um communities within Wisconsin are trying to
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tip get some pilot programs going uh Milwaukee has asked for a pilot red light running
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uh twice in the two most recent budgets and it's been taken out and so uh we're
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probably going to pursue the red light running first um before the automated enforcement um so it will it will be a
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journey before we're able to use those tools any anything Tom with regard to
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speeding elsewhere um I know it we had lots of studies done during Co and right
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post Co I'm guessing this is a problem everywhere yeah you know I I I can't
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really comment I'm in the midst of doing my my
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annual report where where I check into all this research and I I haven't got to that
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right okay well maybe we can talk about that at a f at a future meeting because I think it's I mean we hear that all the
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time and and every time we were looking at um geometrics for reconstructions
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were interested in slowing people down and you know helping create Traffic
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Safety improvements that will physically slow Vehicles 16-year-old driver clocked
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at doing 107 miles an hour the other night
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yeah some place video rers not sure where that's navigate and
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press tab for more options Denise Denise your microphone is is on thank you of
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course okay thanks um so I I think it's um it's something that
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uh is high on our agenda every time we look every time we have an
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opportunity to help do something about reducing speed on a street or improving
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traffic safety and and we'll certainly keep that in mind and I I don't want to
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make work for for for anybody but I'm just curious and I know Yang's not here
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this evening but you know Tom Moore or Tom Lynch um you know there are lots of
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interesting data in these speed test
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summaries in in your Grant summaries that show um Trends in certain
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parts of the city with regard to highp speeed and I know we've looked at that
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on East Washington for example um I'll use that because I think it's the best
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and I know we've made a lot of changes on East Washington because of the high speeds so I'm assuming Tom that that we
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look at that that you know you and the folks in the police department and jens's department or elsewhere are
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looking at these results where people are going 104 miles an hour or whatever
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or where where the city has control because I know you know there's certain um certain roads where the uh Wisconsin
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Department of Transportation um is involved as well so I'm I'm sure that
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that's something that you're looking at is that right Tom yeah that's right um and you're
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right you know there's certain things we can do on certain streets some things
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requires more going through the state but yeah it kind of gets back to like
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the driver Comfort ver speed um a lot of these with the really
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high speeds are the arterials and emergency vehicle routes
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so yeah on some of these it's kind of difficult for us to do things that would
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really slow down traffic um but it is something that we
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look at we try to address some of it with signal timing um but you know if someone's not going
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to obate the signals there's that possibility too um but yeah we kind of do know where
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the really high speed the straightaway stretches between signals where people can really pick up high
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speeds um we're always looking for opportunities to do something but yeah a
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lot of times it's it's hard to find a project that'll you know if people are just going to complete the
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disobey traffic laws and uh you know signals or it's it's
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tough to tough to slow them down when we've got to keep it open for emergency routes
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and things like that right yeah and and you know case in
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point the um the person who ran the red light and caused the fatalities so you
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know there was a traffic signal there and it was ignored so um
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other comments or questions it's really disconcerting seeing some of that uh commentary and the the really really
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high speeds um you know well and I'll just I'll just tell you that it's not it's not just these major roadways that
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we all know about um our Northeast CPT team just did a um a project on Portage
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Road hosted speed limit is 25 they made 12 stops I don't know how long they were
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out there I don't think they were out there for very long oh 8: am to 10:00 a.m. 25 M mph speed limit 12 stops
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highest speed was 47 low speed was 38 so 13 over was the lowest speed they
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stopped and there's just a stretch of road that I mean I haven't thought about Portage Road I don't know about the rest
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of you if it's not in your District maybe if you're an alder but you know these these things are happening
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everywhere not just the main roads that we expect it on um but but other places
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throughout the city yeah well it's a great reminder to us that we're on the
53:57
right track considering speed and and how what we can do to help reduce speed where we can and where it's appropriate
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As Time said certain roads have to be left open and where their emergency routes they you know have to have clear
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sailing for um emergency purposes but uh it's always high on our
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agenda other other comments or questions for lieutenant
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Hannah really appreciate you taking the time to put all this information in the
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reports that I I don't know about the rest of you but I find it very enlightening to read the commentary on
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each of those traffic grants because it's Illuminating yeah I agree that's why I
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decided to start putting those in there because I think you get a pretty good flavor of you know a 4-Hour block of time and what's occurring on some of
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these roads and it really is mindblowing quite frankly yep it is other comments
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or questions for Hannah okay thank you very much we
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appreciate it um and we really appreciate the time that you spent putting this information together and
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coming to the commission to talk with us about it so not a not a problem and if anyone has any questions um please feel
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free to give me a holler I'm more than happy to to go through some data with you and get you some more information if
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you need it okay thanks so much Lieutenant thanks everyone okay
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um next we have um agenda item five which is our um reporting in from
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members who are also members of other boards committees and commissions um anybody have anything to
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report this evening Harold just very briefly from
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Board of Public Works last week um the sidewalk project along Noma road which I
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don't think actually we had at TC but I can't quite remember um yeah so there's
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a missing sidewalk on a coma Road there's a school there and so that was
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approved and it will be built that's all I have okay thanks uh
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Bill uh thanks uh and Harold I I I saw that and uh I paid attention to that on
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my most recent drive down uh Monroe and that was a it's going to be a
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significant Improvement I think especially by through school because there that is a lot of pedestrian
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activity there uh and I think I think it's going to be a good project I'm very
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that's going to connect fill in a big uh uh pedestrian hole that we had con
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get that on Monro Street thanks for doing that Harold
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thanks okay thanks Harold and thanks Phil anybody have anything else to
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report this evening okay see no hands um next item
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six is announcements by the chair and I I actually don't have any announcements this evening so that's going to go quick
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um terms of future agenda items we have um a a couple of referrals potentially
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as many as four referrals from the com Council this next time um complete green
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streets update to the um guide um may be ready for the next meeting and um very
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possibly the Midvale project as well as a um public hearing potentially to
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remove residential permit parking from certain portions on Midvale and some
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other Public Works um review and and feedback as well
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um Denise yeah thanks an I'm wondering if
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um and I can I can reach out to staff directly if this isn't an appropriate agenda item but you know a continued
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issue of concern is sidewalk closures during um building construction
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we've got two or three of them in our my neighborhood and I'm so in my work neighborhood that I'm so busy rerouting
58:33
myself to find an accessible route um so um you I'd like to know a little bit
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about what the ordinances around that um you know what what's being worked out
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for um you know for accessible passage uh when the the construction bleeds out
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into the sidewalk so um yeah let me know if that's really something to take
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offline or if that's something we can bring forward for both the knowledge base of the commission and also any um
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any discussion sure we we have pedestrian detours during construction projects on
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as a as a topic for a future agenda um but I can also look at maybe modifying
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that a little bit Tom did you have a comment about that yeah Denise if there's something
59:29
specific you want us to address you can let me know but otherwise we can bring that as a topic to go over you know how
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how we make these decisions with construction sites and what gets kept open what we allow to close and
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Detour um but yeah a lot of these sites are
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just so tight uh and there's just no space for the contractor to work so
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um that's typically the reason but there's a lot of back and forth between the city and the contractor to try to
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figure out what's the best way to get it constructed and what we can give up um but but I think it's a it's a
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topic of great interest Tom so I think um where where we have an opportunity to
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talk about it I think it it would be good to um to hear about it because
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we've heard from um Bill brought it as well as UD Denise um and there was a lot
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of discussion and agreement that this is something that we would be interested in in hearing about better understanding
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the the the process and and perhaps how it it works with proag as well um yeah
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yeah we can bring that as a future topic yeah Tom Lynch did you have something
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yeah I'm sorry I had to step away to take a a phone call um so this is uh being looked at also
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from engineering Jim wolf is looking at it as well as our permitting uh crew um
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there is as Tom was saying kind of uh a reality that if we are going to approve
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zero lot buildings you know right on the RightWay there has there'll probably has to be a staging area but um bill has
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brought this up uh Jim has brought this up the mayor has brought it up um and so
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um we we probably need we are not in
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agreement internally yet on how to solve the problem let alone with with the
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mayor so uh it could be a future uh topic um but there's there's a lot of
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people that are trying to understand it okay well it sound it sounds like it's a work in process in in terms of how the
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city is going to address it um so Denise it's it's it's a it's a great topic and
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I'll I'll work on some wording in in terms of how I can uh how we can flush out what I put down there and and maybe
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expand it a little bit I I'll send that to to you Denise to see if it if it um
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um if it captures what you're talking about um and then we can we can uh we'll
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keep it uh at it's at the top of the list right now of things that that TC is
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interested in hearing about so does that work Denise that works great an thank
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you and yeah Tom um I will reach out to you about the the couple sites that I
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have particular concerns about both because of their longevity of having the sideway having the sidewalk closed it's
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been a couple of years so um so anyway I'll reach out on the individual project
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but I love that it's this is going to come forward to us as a group okay okay sounds good Tom did you have something
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else yeah I just wanted to give an update on Midvale uh we we met uh City
1:02:57
staff met internally today um and we posted an update to the website but we will likely be bringing
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this uh in a few months uh we so we had the public information meeting last uh
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week and there was a lot a lot of feedback from that meeting and we want
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to have time to to work on alternative um options and uh collect the data and
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provide that feedback compile all that um so we're likely looking at bringing it to
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TC uh late spring um hoping to uh get an
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approval uh for a project and then likely bidding it in the fall for a 2026
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construction okay so not next meeting huh it won't be next meeting no okay all
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right um we've been hearing from a lot of people and and I know you heard a lot on the public information as well so in
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terms of the future agenda I'll I'll move that further down the log Denise did you have something
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else okay um anybody have any other future
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agenda
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topics I have a question yes ly I am
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admittedly new to this commission and I am very grateful to be here I want to
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know um if perhaps I could be briefed maybe not now but later on any plans to
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slow down Packers Avenue Tom more is that something that
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you could maybe connect with ly on sure we can uh we can meet about that
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um you'd like to talk offline I I'm just interested if it's
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been talked about if it's in the pipeline if it's ever gonna come up on a
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on an agenda it's it's horrible it's like Frogger bille and I see a lot of
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students coming across uh Packers um and Pennsylvania trying to
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get to East High School and I'm an adult I'm a blind adult and I get across kind
1:05:24
of okay but I feel really bad for the students and others especially at
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commercial but now Sixth Street is in untenable for drivers that's such a
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blind curve coming from Quick Trip that it is it's a it's a major concern for my
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neighbors as well as my family there any projects on Packers that are going to be
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coming soon Tom um well on the Northern portion it would
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be uh North South brt sure the the southern portion closer to
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First Street I don't think there's anything planned um but this is something we
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could look into more with Safe Streets Madison for any sort of smaller project
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or or crossing project so I can put that on the list okay thanks Tom uh Robbie go
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ahead actually I put my hand down I was just worried discussing things that weren't on the agenda right we're we're
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really just trying to focus on things that can be put on agendas and and and I
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think we may start talking about them a little bit too much but we're gonna try not to do too much of that yeah I I I'm
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just you know sort of reminding everyone that we can't y about things that on the
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agenda so y it's um Aiden tries to do that on the on the agenda where he says
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commission member suggestions for item on future agenda for information only not for discussion so it's it's hard to
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to place that line and stay on the correct side of it so um all right I
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made some notes on those things and I think Tom Moore made some notes on them as well um anybody have any other future
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agenda topics
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okay I'm not seeing any hands and we need a motion to
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adjourn Harold so moved okay Alder Martinez Rutherford second okay there's
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a motion in a second I'm going to assume a unanimous consent vote um unless I I don't think there's
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ever been anybody opposed to a journey so thanks everybody have have a great evening appreciate it
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